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From PowerSou at aol.com Wed Jul 2 12:03:23 1997
From: PowerSou at aol.com (PowerSou@aol.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <970702120143_744060023@emout16.mail.aol.com>

PowerSou@aol.com
David DeHart
Power Sources, Inc.
9140 ArrowPoint Blvd., Suite 370
Charlotte, NC 28273
(704) 525 - 5819
(Fax) 527 - 1218

If anyone knows a good definition of gasification, please let me know.

Thanks.

 

From bentermm at convertech.co.nz Wed Jul 2 16:25:34 1997
From: bentermm at convertech.co.nz (Markus M Benter)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <v01540b01afe110bdb9f0@[202.37.189.108]>

 

>If anyone knows a good definition of gasification, please let me know.
>
>Thanks.

Almost every book on thermochemical (biomass/solid fuel) conversion has
this definition. If you are after something more specific, please explain.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Markus M Benter
Energy and Process Engineer
Scott Convertech Ltd
PO Box 13 776
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND

e-mail: bentermm@convertech.co.nz
www: http://www.southpower.co.nz/conver.htm

 

 

From PowerSou at aol.com Fri Jul 4 11:26:10 1997
From: PowerSou at aol.com (PowerSou@aol.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Re: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <970704112529_74006367@emout08.mail.aol.com>

From: PowerSou@aol.com
David DeHart
Power Sources, Inc.
9140 ArrowPoint Blvd., Suite 370
Charlotte, NC 28273

(704) 525 - 5819
(Fax) 527 - 1218

Perhaps I need to explain my request further. I am referring to the
industrial process of gasification in which a solid fuel is converted to a
gaseous fuel.

I am looking for a description (definition) of the "real world" gasification
process that can be used for almost any audience. I talk to both technical
and non-technical people who are not familiar with the process. I thought
that someone might have a good way of describing the process that would make
it easy to explain to technical and non-technical people.

Any help is appreciated.

In a message dated 97-07-03 21:02:45 EDT, rcutler@mbl.edu writes:

Actually the definition in the dictionary doesn't seem to bad to me. "to
make into or become gas"

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>>
In a message dated 97-07-02 12:02:33 EDT, PowerSou@aol.com writes:

<<
>If anyone knows a good definition of gasification, please let me know.
>

 

From prmitch at ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 4 12:07:31 1997
From: prmitch at ix.netcom.com (Mitchell)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Re: Definition of Gasification
In-Reply-To: <970704112529_74006367@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <33BD1C8C.7395@ix.netcom.com>

PowerSou@aol.com wrote:
>
> Perhaps I need to explain my request further. I am referring to the
> industrial process of gasification in which a solid fuel is converted to a
> gaseous fuel.
>
> I am looking for a description (definition) of the "real world" gasification
> process that can be used for almost any audience. I talk to both technical
> and non-technical people who are not familiar with the process. I thought
> that someone might have a good way of describing the process that would make
> it easy to explain to technical and non-technical people.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

During the gasification process, the carbon contained within the coal is
partially combusted, forming carbon monoxide gas. This gas can then be
fully combusted elsewhere -- say, in a gas turbine engine. This allows
a solid fuel to be used in a wider range of applications than would
otherwise be possible.

Because the gasificaction process releases significant quantities of
heat, this coal gas is generally to hot to be used directly. In many
modern coal gasification processes the gas is cooled by water which is
evaporated into steam that can be used to drive a steam turbine or for
some other process use.

One of the advantages of the gasification process is that the total gas
stream mass flow rates are significantly lower than those for full
combustion. This means the polution removal equipment can be smaller
and less costly than for polution removal systems located in the exhaust
stream.

Both Texaco and Shell have been working on coal gasification processes.
They may have some explanatory material that would be of use to you.
You might also want to check with EPRI (the Electric Power Research
Institute) for any info they may have.

I hope this helps.

Paul

 

 

From bhatta at ait.ac.th Sat Jul 5 00:52:05 1997
From: bhatta at ait.ac.th (Prof. S.C. Bhattacharya)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: No Subject
In-Reply-To: <"28862:1*"@MHS>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.970705114925.3644A-100000@alphaserv.ait.ac.th>

 

A World Bank funded 30 MW IGCC plant was due to be commissioned in Brazil
one of these days. Does any have the latest information on the status on
this plant?

S.C. Bhattacharya

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Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Bioenergy Email Lists and Commands
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From jphillips at mmt.com Mon Jul 7 09:04:18 1997
From: jphillips at mmt.com (Jeff Phillips)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Re: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <000150C7.3419@mmt.com>

When explaining gasification to non-technical people and technical
managers (smile!), I say that it is essentially fuel-rich combustion.
In other words, you don't give the coal (or other fuel) enough air to
burn "all the way" and instead of getting carbon dioxide and water
vapor "in the stack" you get carbon monoxide and hydrogen which can be
used as a substitute for natural gas.

People with background in burning coal will then also easily
understand when you explain that instead of converting sulfur in the
fuel to SO2, it gets converted to H2S, and instead of NOx, you get N2
(and a little bit of HCN and NH3).

Jeff Phillips
Molten Metal Technology
Fall River, Mass, USA
JPhillips@MMT.com

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Subject: GAS-L: Re: Definition of Gasification
Author: PowerSou@aol.com at Internet
Date: 7/4/97 11:25 AM

From: PowerSou@aol.com
David DeHart
Power Sources, Inc.
9140 ArrowPoint Blvd., Suite 370
Charlotte, NC 28273

(704) 525 - 5819
(Fax) 527 - 1218

Perhaps I need to explain my request further. I am referring to the
industrial process of gasification in which a solid fuel is converted to a
gaseous fuel.

I am looking for a description (definition) of the "real world" gasification
process that can be used for almost any audience. I talk to both technical
and non-technical people who are not familiar with the process. I thought
that someone might have a good way of describing the process that would make
it easy to explain to technical and non-technical people.

Any help is appreciated.

In a message dated 97-07-03 21:02:45 EDT, rcutler@mbl.edu writes:

Actually the definition in the dictionary doesn't seem to bad to me. "to
make into or become gas"

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>>
In a message dated 97-07-02 12:02:33 EDT, PowerSou@aol.com writes:

<<
>If anyone knows a good definition of gasification, please let me know.
>

 

From bentermm at convertech.co.nz Mon Jul 7 17:04:14 1997
From: bentermm at convertech.co.nz (Markus M Benter)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: IGT Hawaii/MTCI
Message-ID: <v01540b03afe7b083da32@[202.37.189.51]>

Dear all,

Can anyone help me with the current status of the IGT Rhenugas gasifier
project on Hawaii and the "Manufacturing and Technology Conversion Int."
(MTCI) gasifier?
I understand that the Hawaii gasifier is IGT's one closest to operation, is
that correct?

Thanks
Markus Benter

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Markus M Benter
Energy and Process Engineer
Scott Convertech Ltd
PO Box 13 776
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND

e-mail: bentermm@convertech.co.nz
www: http://www.southpower.co.nz/conver.html

 

 

From rcala at reduc.cmw.edu.cu Mon Jul 7 18:27:10 1997
From: rcala at reduc.cmw.edu.cu (Ramon Cala Aiello)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: pyrolysis
Message-ID: <9707071330.aa06481@reduc.cmw.edu.cu>

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From PQVC79B at prodigy.com Tue Jul 8 00:39:38 1997
From: PQVC79B at prodigy.com (MR BEN WIANT)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: IGT Hawaii/MTCI
Message-ID: <199707080437.AAA67836@mime3.prodigy.com>

The IGT RENUGAS gasifier in Hawaii is currently going through the
shakedown process prior to operation. The plan is to test for 1500
hours (9 weeks) in two different test segments: 500 hours and then
1000 hours. The testing is scheduled to begin August 11 for the
first segment and then again on October 10 for the second segment.

Ben Wiant
Program Manager
Westinghouse Electric
Hawaiian Biomass Gasification Project -
Technology Verification Phase

 

 

From REEDTB at CompuServe.COM Tue Jul 8 09:01:19 1997
From: REEDTB at CompuServe.COM (Thomas Reed)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Re: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <199707080900_MC2-1A6E-7AB8@compuserve.com>

Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Paul, powersou@aol.Com et al:

The message below concerning the definition of gasification is fine as far
as it goes. However, it leaves out pyrolytic gasification in which
roasting wood or coal releases large quantities of gas (and tar that must
be removed). The gas contains a very significant fraction of hydrocarbons
methane, ethane etc.

Pyrolytic Gasification was active in many world cities by 1850 and there
are some marvellous etchings in VIEWS OF LONDON (Dover) showing sweaty
stevedores stoking the retorts to produce gas to light London about 1850.
So don't just focus on the CO part of gasification.

PLEASE in the future make a more intelligible signaturee than "PAUL" or
"Powersou@aol.Com." It's nice to know who one is talking to.

Yours truly, TOM REED

essage text written by INTERNET:gasification@crest.org
>
PowerSou@aol.com wrote:
>
> Perhaps I need to explain my request further. I am referring to the
> industrial process of gasification in which a solid fuel is converted to
a
> gaseous fuel.
>
> I am looking for a description (definition) of the "real world"
gasification
> process that can be used for almost any audience. I talk to both
technical
> and non-technical people who are not familiar with the process. I
thought
> that someone might have a good way of describing the process that would
make
> it easy to explain to technical and non-technical people.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

During the gasification process, the carbon contained within the coal is
partially combusted, forming carbon monoxide gas. This gas can then be
fully combusted elsewhere -- say, in a gas turbine engine. This allows
a solid fuel to be used in a wider range of applications than would
otherwise be possible.

Because the gasificaction process releases significant quantities of
heat, this coal gas is generally to hot to be used directly. In many
modern coal gasification processes the gas is cooled by water which is
evaporated into steam that can be used to drive a steam turbine or for
some other process use.

One of the advantages of the gasification process is that the total gas
stream mass flow rates are significantly lower than those for full
combustion. This means the polution removal equipment can be smaller
and less costly than for polution removal systems located in the exhaust
stream.

Both Texaco and Shell have been working on coal gasification processes.
They may have some explanatory material that would be of use to you.
You might also want to check with EPRI (the Electric Power Research
Institute) for any info they may have.

I hope this helps.

Paul

<

 

 

From vpmc at nw.com.au Wed Jul 9 20:21:24 1997
From: vpmc at nw.com.au (Vic McCartin)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Producer Gas
Message-ID: <33C42AF7.2121@nw.com.au>

Greetings

I am trying to find info an a Gas Producer used during WW11 to power
motor vehicles. All I can remember of them was that they used coke, air
and water. I think the process was the "reformer gas process.

I am interested to see if I can find info on the manufacture and
operation of such an apparatus.

Regards.

Vic

 

From Kati.Veijonen at vtt.fi Thu Jul 10 04:13:17 1997
From: Kati.Veijonen at vtt.fi (Kati Veijonen)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: BIOMASS EVENT IN FINLAND
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970710081105.0053d514@vttmail.vtt.fi>

Dear list members,

I have earlier sent you a message about Bioenergy event in Finland. The full
programme is now in web. You are welcome to visit in our pages:
http://www.vtt.fi/docs/biomass.htm

Best regards,

Kati Veijonen

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From pratee at hq.npc.co.th Thu Jul 10 21:40:24 1997
From: pratee at hq.npc.co.th (Pratee Chittrakoon)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: RE: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <01BC8DD5.729EEE20@tiger.npc.co.th>

 

I saw a process like you're talking about. Let check at http://www.sasol.com for more detail.

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Pratee Chittrakoon
Mechanical engineer ,Maintenance department
Olefins plant ,National Petrochemical Plc
14 ,I-1 Rd ,Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate
Rayong 21150 ,THAILAND
tel. 66 38 683800
fax. 66 38 683815
e-mail. pratee@hq.npc.co.th
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From REEDTB at CompuServe.COM Fri Jul 11 09:05:55 1997
From: REEDTB at CompuServe.COM (Thomas Reed)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: IGT Hawaii/MTCI
Message-ID: <199707110905_MC2-1AA5-9F8E@compuserve.com>

Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Markus Benter et al:

I received the following note on the Hawaii gasification process from Brent
Wiandt, project manager:

The IGT RENUGAS gasifier in Hawaii is currently going through the
shakedown process prior to operation. The plan is to test for 1500
hours (9 weeks) in two different test segments: 500 hours and then
1000 hours. The testing is scheduled to begin August 11 for the
first segment and then again on October 10 for the second segment.

Ben Wiant
Program Manager
Westinghouse Electric
Hawaiian Biomass Gasification Project -
Technology Verification Phase

I wonder how the Burlington shakedown on the Battelle gasifier is doing. I
believe we are scheduled to make a visit during the Biomass of the Americas
conference in Montreal, late August.

Cheers, TOM REED

 

From antonio.hilst at merconet.com.br Thu Jul 17 08:53:56 1997
From: antonio.hilst at merconet.com.br (Antonio G. P. Hilst)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: RE: Definition of Gasification
Message-ID: <199707171257.JAA00184@mercserv.merconet.com.br>

Hei, nets,>

Sasol is an original Lurgi (Germany) project, very interisting. I did not
visit it, but I was at a British Coal Gasificaton Plant quite similar to
Sasol's and another one in Schwarze Pump, East Germany, both circa 1978.

Antonio

>I saw a process like you're talking about. Let check at
http://www.sasol.com for more detail.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Pratee Chittrakoon
>Mechanical engineer ,Maintenance department
>Olefins plant ,National Petrochemical Plc
>14 ,I-1 Rd ,Map Ta Phut Industrial Estate
>Rayong 21150 ,THAILAND
>tel. 66 38 683800
>fax. 66 38 683815
>e-mail. pratee@hq.npc.co.th
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>
>

 

 

From oag at xs4all.nl Wed Jul 23 04:39:20 1997
From: oag at xs4all.nl (Frank Denys)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Comparison of techniques
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970723082516.0066d3dc@xs4all.nl>

Dear list members,

I'm looking for (recent) literature in which different gasification
techniques are compared, for example Batelle, Lurgi, TPS, SHELL, etc. Any
reference or sugestion would be appreciated.

I have also another question about the different reactorsystems selected
(packed bed, fluidized bed (bubbling), circulating fluidized bed, entrained
flow or another system) in respect to the capacity of the gasifier. Can a
range be specified in which the different reactor systems are used ?
For example;
packed bed: 0 - 2 MW
fluidized bed 2 - 50 MW
Circ. fluidized bed 50 - 100 MW
Entrained flow 100 - *** MW

Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

Frank Denys

 

 

From bentermm at convertech.co.nz Wed Jul 23 18:00:26 1997
From: bentermm at convertech.co.nz (Markus M Benter)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Comparison of techniques
Message-ID: <v01540b00affcc775430f@[202.37.189.12]>

Dear Frank,

Please let me (or all of us) know if you find such a report! I have been
looking for exactly the same information until recently. Scott Convertech
Ltd has been asked to prepare a report on the current status of biomass
gasification for CHP by the NZ FRI and one of the local utilities. I may be
able to send you a copy or part thereof, let me check. Otherwise, I have
accumulated a lot of literature. If you can be more specific, i.e. if you
tell me what exactly you need to know about which gasifier, I will be happy
to help you.

The last comprehensive study comparing most gasifiers (that I am aware of)
was published in '95 by Bridgwater in Fuel ("The technical and economic
feasibility of biomass gasification for power generation", Vol. 74, No. 5,
p. 631-653).
On http://www.eren.doe.gov/biopower/snowpapr.html you can access a paper by
Craig and Mann of NREL comparing the Battelle, IGT and TPS technologies.
Williams, Larson, Katofsky, Chen also compare the IGT, Shell, Battelle and
MTCI gasifiers (for Methanol and H2 production): " Methanol and Hydrogen
for Transportation, with Comparisons to Methanol and Hydrogen from Natural
Gas and Coal", Report #292, available from Princeton Univ., '94

Regarding your other question, maybe others of the list can help, otherwise
there are again studies out there, which have looked at that...

Regards
Markus Benter

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Markus M Benter
Energy and Process Engineer
Scott Convertech Ltd
PO Box 13 776
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND

e-mail: bentermm@convertech.co.nz
www: http://www.southpower.co.nz/conver.html

 

 

From jphillips at mmt.com Thu Jul 24 09:54:07 1997
From: jphillips at mmt.com (Jeff Phillips)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Comparison of techniques
Message-ID: <000182B0.3419@mmt.com>

Frank,

I can comment a bit on your second paragraph - although I have to
confess I'm not too familiar with biomass gasification, but I am quite
familiar with coal gasification.

Rather than ranking the various reactor systems by throughput (MW), I
think it is more appropriate to rank them according to feed
characteristics. For instance, an entrained flow reactor is best
suited for low ash content feed with low ash melting temperatures (and
the feed must be finely milled so non-brittle material is not
appropriate). A fluidized bed, on the other hand, is better suited
for higher ash feeds with high ash melting temperatures (and the feed
does not have to be finely milled).

As far as size goes, I know British Gas-Lurgi had plans to build a
coal gasifier which would have fueled a large (circa 350 MWe??)
combined cycle plant. Their reactor is a packed bed, so clearly they
think packed beds are appropriate for sizes much larger than 0 -2 MW.

M.W. Kellogg has supplied a fliudized bed coal gasifier to Sierra
Pacific Power in Nevada which feeds a 100 MWe combined cycle.
Rheinbraun had plans to build a 300+ MWe combined cycle power plant
using a HT Winkler fluidized bed gasifier.

Texaco has a petroleum coke gasifier operating at one of their oil
refineries (in Kansas) which feeds a 30 MWe power plant.

So, I think all of the reactor types you mentioned can be used over a
wide range of sizes. As I stated at the beginning, I think the type
of feed is really more important in determining which type of reactor
to use.

Perhaps the list members with more knowledge of biomass systems can
comment on which reactor type is best for different biomass feeds.

Regards,

Jeffrey N. Phillips
Senior Research Engineer
Mixed Waste R&D Team
Molten Metal Technology
Fall River, Mass., USA
JPhillips@MMT.com

PS - According to the ".nl" at the end of your e-mail address, you are
from Nederland. Do you have any information on how the Dutch
gasification power project, Demkolec, is doing? In ieder geval,
geniet het mooi nederlandse zomer weer!

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: GAS-L: Comparison of techniques
Author: Frank Denys <oag@xs4all.nl> at Internet
Date: 7/23/97 10:25 AM

Dear list members,

I'm looking for (recent) literature in which different gasification
techniques are compared, for example Batelle, Lurgi, TPS, SHELL, etc. Any
reference or sugestion would be appreciated.

I have also another question about the different reactorsystems selected
(packed bed, fluidized bed (bubbling), circulating fluidized bed, entrained
flow or another system) in respect to the capacity of the gasifier. Can a
range be specified in which the different reactor systems are used ?
For example;
packed bed: 0 - 2 MW
fluidized bed 2 - 50 MW
Circ. fluidized bed 50 - 100 MW
Entrained flow 100 - *** MW

Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

Frank Denys

 

 

From houmoller at dk-teknik.dk Fri Jul 25 03:37:41 1997
From: houmoller at dk-teknik.dk (houmoller@dk-teknik.dk)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Comparison of techniques
Message-ID: <199707250738.JAA25740@ns.dknet.dk>

Frank and Jeffrey,

I think the size discussion is very interesting. Frank, you suggest the
following:
packed bed: 0 - 2 MW
fluidized bed 2 - 50 MW
Circ. fluidized bed 50 - 100 MW
Entrained flow 100 - *** MW

Technically, some packed (fixed) beds are much larger than 2 MW infeed
effect, for instance the Danish gasifier at Harbooere developed by
Volund. They have put 15 MW into their updraft gasifier, if I remember it
correct. On the other hand I believe that fluidized beds can be much
smaller, less than 100 kW infeed (and I have the bench scale unit to
prove it!)

Economically, things are different. I expect a cross-over point somewhere
around 1 to 5 MW infeed effect between fixed and fluidized beds - smaller
than this point, fixed beds are more economical, larger fluidized beds
are more competitive.

Jeffrey, your approach is interesting. A characterization by type of feed
might be useful. Can you eloborate on this?

Perhaps a third way combined with one of the above might give a broader
picture: The gasifiers ability to gasify a given amount of feed compared
to its bed area, measured in ie. kg feed per second per square meter of
bed.

Do you know any investigations using this approach?

 

Soren Houmoller

 

Søren Houmøller, M. Sc. dk-TEKNIK Energy and Environment, Denmark

Email: houmoller@dk-teknik.dk
Centre for Biomass Technology homepage: http://www.sh.dk/~cbt
Private homepage: http://www.sh.dk/~cbt/sh

 

 

 

From REEDTB at CompuServe.COM Sun Jul 27 08:42:14 1997
From: REEDTB at CompuServe.COM (Thomas Reed)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: LAST ROUNDUP
Message-ID: <199707270842_MC2-1BAB-67EB@compuserve.com>

Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dear Gasification Net:

As you know, I am writing a SURVEY Of BIOMASS GASIFICATION for the National
Renewable Energy Laboratory. Volume I is GASIFIER PROJECTS AND RESEARCH
AROUND THE WORLD. Currently I have about 80 spreadsheet files, containing
the principle projects, current and some past. I have sent each group the
listing of what we know and have invited them to correct it and make it
current. Where possible I sent a fax; in many cases I could not reach them
by fax and have used snail mail.

The present list is given below. Please look it over and see if you or
another group you know of is not represented. If you wish to be listed in
the book, please let me know ASAP a contact to write to.

Thanks for your help.

Yours truly, TOM REED Webmaster

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From REEDTB at CompuServe.COM Sun Jul 27 09:05:30 1997
From: REEDTB at CompuServe.COM (Thomas Reed)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
Message-ID: <199707270905_MC2-1BA7-6857@compuserve.com>

Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gasification Net:

About 15 minutes ago I inadvertently sent a message asking you-all to look
over the following list and see if there are any active gasifier groups
that I have omitted. If so please write me ASAP and I will contact them to
be in THE BOOK.

Sorry about BOO BOO. TOM REED

1) LARGE GASIFIERS (>10 MW)
AERIMPIANTI (Ansaldo, TPS)
AHLSTROM, AB
BIG-GT (State Bahia, Brazil, Electro-Braz, Shell, World Bank)
BINAGAS (FERCO, USABED, USAZURN NEPCO, Euro Comm)
BIOELECTRICA
BIOFLOW(Varnamo,SW:Ahlstrom, Sydkraft, Foster Wheeler)
BIOMASS GASIFICATION FACILITY (BGF) (Westinghouse, PICHTR/IGT, US DOE)
BIOSYN
BURLINGTON ELECTRIC, VERMONT (FERCO, Battelle)
CARBONA (Formerly Tampella)
COMPREVE RESOURCE RECOVERY
ELECTROBRAS, BR
ELSAM/ELKRAFT
ENVIROPOWER (Vattenfall, Tampella, IGT)
IMTRAN VOIMA
JWP (Energy Products of Idaho, EPI)
KVAERNER ENVIROPOWER INC.
LURGI GMBH (Di Cascans, IT)
NEW ENGLAND POWER SERVICE
POWER GASIFIERS INTERNATIONAL
POWER SOURCES, INC.
PRODUCERS RICE MILLS ENERGY SYSTEMS
PROLER INTERNATIONAL
PUROX
SKYGAS VENTURES (Unitel)
SOFRESID/CALIQUA (Andco Torrax, Ascab-Stein)
SUR-LITE CORP.
TAMPELLA POWER INC. (TPS)(Enviropower; IGT)
TERAMETH INDUSTRIES (TMI)
THERMOCHEM (MTCI)
THERMOSELECT, INC.
TPS TERMISKA PROCESSOR, AB (Formerly studsvik, Greve)
UHDE GMBH
VATTENFALL (Gotaverken, Kvaerner)
VOEST ALPINE
VØLUND
WELLMAN PROCESS ENGINEERING

2) GASIFICACTION RESEARCH
BATTELLE (FERCO)
CHINESE ACADEMY OF AGR. AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS (CAAMS)
DENMARK, TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY (DTU)
DK-TEKNIK
ECN-NETHERLANDS ENERGY RESEARCH FOUNDATION
ELECTRIC POWER RESEARCH INSTITUTE (EPRI)
ETSU
GASIFICATION TECHNOLOGIES COUNCIL
INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE
INSTITUTE OF GAS TECHNOLOGY (IGT)
IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY
NIMBKAR AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
SHANDONG ENERGY RESEARCH INSTITUTE (SDERI)
TCUF
UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA
UNIVERSITY OF HAMBURG
UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA
UNIVERSITY OF SHERBROOKE, CANADA
UNIVERSITY OF WALES
VTT GASIFICATION R&D CENTER

3) SMALL GASIFIERS (<10 MW)
AEW, ASSOCIATED ENGINEERING WORKS
AEW, Associated Engineering Works
ANKUR SCIENTIFIC ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
BIOSYSTEMS ENERGY, LTD
BRIGHTSTAR TECHNOLOGIES (John Brown Engineers)
BUCK ROGERS
CHIPTEC
CRATECH
DASAG Energy Engineering Ltd.
ENERGIE-TECHNIK FROMM
ENERTECH ENVIRONMENTAL, INC.
FLUIDYNE
HS KEDLER-TARM A/S
HTV ENERGY
HYDROMAX
LESLIE MFG. CO.
MECH-CHEM
SHAWTON ENGINEERING)
SUSTAINABLE ENGINE SYSTEMS (SES) LTD
SYSTEM JOHANSSON GASPRODUCERS
THERMOGENICS
WASTE CONVERSION SYSTEMS

 

 

From tmiles at teleport.com Sun Jul 27 14:59:19 1997
From: tmiles at teleport.com (Tom Miles)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970727120123.00ae3048@mail.teleport.com>

Tom,

I just received a September 1996 publication by Novem, Netherlands Agency
for Energy and the Environment titled "State of small-scale biomass
gasification technology", (EWAB 9622), prepared by BTG, Biomass Technoogy
Group. They list some 30 gasifiers in Europe and 22 outside europe. From a
very cursory look many do not seem to appear on your list. If they do they
may have different names associated with them.

The report is available for Dfl 15,00 from MHP, Management & Secretary
Services, PO Box 127, 3950 AC MAARN, the Netherlands, telefax +31-343-441936
Email: mhp@knoware.nl

Novem project contact is KW Kwant at nlnovkwk@ibmmail.com

Regards, from the Biomass Gasification Facility on Maui,

Tom Miles, Jr.

At 09:05 AM 7/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
>1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
>Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
>ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Gasification Net:
>
>About 15 minutes ago I inadvertently sent a message asking you-all to look
>over the following list and see if there are any active gasifier groups
>that I have omitted. If so please write me ASAP and I will contact them to
>be in THE BOOK.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------
Thomas R. Miles, Jr., Consultant tmiles@teleport.com

5475 SW Arrowwood Lane http://www.teleport.com/~tmiles/
Portland, Oregon, USA 97225-1353 Tel (503) 292-0107 Fax (503) 292-2919

 

From mlefcort at CompuServe.COM Sun Jul 27 17:10:14 1997
From: mlefcort at CompuServe.COM (Malcolm D. Lefcort)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:19 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
Message-ID: <199707271710_MC2-1BAD-7DAB@compuserve.com>

Tom,

I developed a 3 Million Btu/h, two-stage, wet wood gasifier in Vancouver,
BC, aided by significant funding from the Science Council of British
Columbia and the Canadian Department of Energy, Mines and Resouces (now
Natural Resources Canada), from 1980 through 1989.

Summary papers are given in the Proceedings of the 6th and 7th Canadian
Bioenergy Research and Development Seminars:

Development of a Wet Wood Two-Stage Gasifier, M.D. Lefcort, p. 481, 6th
Seminar,
1987 February 16/18, Richmond, BC

Further Development of a Wet Wood Two-Stage Gasifier, M.D. Lefcort, p.635,
7th Seminar,
1989 April 24/26, Ottawa, ON

Malcolm Lefcort, Sc.D.
Engineering Manager
Heuristic Engineering Inc
5189 Maple Street
Vancouver, BC V6M 3T4, Canada

Tel: 604-263-8005
Fax: 604-263-0786

 

From apchick at dmu.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 03:53:48 1997
From: apchick at dmu.ac.uk (Andrew Chick)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:20 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
Message-ID: <199707290759.IAA13858@macondo.dmu.ac.uk>

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From apchick at dmu.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 03:57:16 1997
From: apchick at dmu.ac.uk (Andrew Chick)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:20 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
Message-ID: <199707290803.JAA13971@macondo.dmu.ac.uk>

> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 09:05:08 -0400
> From: Thomas Reed <REEDTB@CompuServe.COM>
> Subject: GAS-L: Whoops: Last Roundup
> To: GASIFICATION <gasification@crest.org>
> Reply-to: gasification@crest.org

> Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
> 1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
> Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
> ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Gasification Net:
>
> About 15 minutes ago I inadvertently sent a message asking you-all to look
> over the following list and see if there are any active gasifier groups
> that I have omitted. If so please write me ASAP and I will contact them to
> be in THE BOOK.
>
> Sorry about BOO BOO. TOM REED
>
> 1) LARGE GASIFIERS (>10 MW)
> AERIMPIANTI (Ansaldo, TPS)
> AHLSTROM, AB
> BIG-GT (State Bahia, Brazil, Electro-Braz, Shell, World Bank)
> BINAGAS (FERCO, USABED, USAZURN NEPCO, Euro Comm)
> BIOELECTRICA
> BIOFLOW(Varnamo,SW:Ahlstrom, Sydkraft, Foster Wheeler)
> BIOMASS GASIFICATION FACILITY (BGF) (Westinghouse, PICHTR/IGT, US DOE)
> BIOSYN
> BURLINGTON ELECTRIC, VERMONT (FERCO, Battelle)
> CARBONA (Formerly Tampella)
> COMPREVE RESOURCE RECOVERY
> ELECTROBRAS, BR
> ELSAM/ELKRAFT
> ENVIROPOWER (Vattenfall, Tampella, IGT)
> IMTRAN VOIMA
> JWP (Energy Products of Idaho, EPI)
> KVAERNER ENVIROPOWER INC.
> LURGI GMBH (Di Cascans, IT)
> NEW ENGLAND POWER SERVICE
> POWER GASIFIERS INTERNATIONAL
> POWER SOURCES, INC.
> PRODUCERS RICE MILLS ENERGY SYSTEMS
> PROLER INTERNATIONAL
> PUROX
> SKYGAS VENTURES (Unitel)
> SOFRESID/CALIQUA (Andco Torrax, Ascab-Stein)
> SUR-LITE CORP.
> TAMPELLA POWER INC. (TPS)(Enviropower; IGT)
> TERAMETH INDUSTRIES (TMI)
> THERMOCHEM (MTCI)
> THERMOSELECT, INC.
> TPS TERMISKA PROCESSOR, AB (Formerly studsvik, Greve)
> UHDE GMBH
> VATTENFALL (Gotaverken, Kvaerner)
> VOEST ALPINE
> VOLUND
> WELLMAN PROCESS ENGINEERING
>
>
> 2) GASIFICACTION RESEARCH
> BATTELLE (FERCO)
> CHINESE ACADEMY OF AGR. AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS (CAAMS)
> DENMARK, TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY (DTU)
> DK-TEKNIK
> ECN-NETHERLANDS ENERGY RESEARCH FOUNDATION
> ELECTRIC POWER RESEARCH INSTITUTE (EPRI)
> ETSU
> GASIFICATION TECHNOLOGIES COUNCIL
> INDIAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE
> INSTITUTE OF GAS TECHNOLOGY (IGT)
> IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY
> NIMBKAR AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH INSTITUTE
> SHANDONG ENERGY RESEARCH INSTITUTE (SDERI)
> TCUF
> UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA
> UNIVERSITY OF HAMBURG
> UNIVERSITY OF NEBRASKA
> UNIVERSITY OF SHERBROOKE, CANADA
> UNIVERSITY OF WALES
> VTT GASIFICATION R&D CENTER
>
> 3) SMALL GASIFIERS (<10 MW)
> AEW, ASSOCIATED ENGINEERING WORKS
> AEW, Associated Engineering Works
> ANKUR SCIENTIFIC ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES
> BIOSYSTEMS ENERGY, LTD
> BRIGHTSTAR TECHNOLOGIES (John Brown Engineers)
> BUCK ROGERS
> CHIPTEC
> CRATECH
> DASAG Energy Engineering Ltd.
> ENERGIE-TECHNIK FROMM
> ENERTECH ENVIRONMENTAL, INC.
> FLUIDYNE
> HS KEDLER-TARM A/S
> HTV ENERGY
> HYDROMAX
> LESLIE MFG. CO.
> MECH-CHEM
> SHAWTON ENGINEERING)
> SUSTAINABLE ENGINE SYSTEMS (SES) LTD
> SYSTEM JOHANSSON GASPRODUCERS
> THERMOGENICS
> WASTE CONVERSION SYSTEMS
>

I attach some information on the research work that is being
conducted at DeMontfort University Lincoln UK. The work is funded by
the EU project Number JOR3-CT96-0110, and is basically the
construction of a Hybrid Wind-Biomass System for Rural Eectrical
Generation.

Hopefully I have attached a Word doc file that outlines the work.
Please note that the diagram is missing any pictures!! But I'm sure
you can work it out!!!!

Regards


ANDREW P CHICK
DeMontfort University
School of Agriculture and Horticulture
Caythorpe Campus
Caythorpe
Lincolnshire
NG32 3EP

apchick@dmu.ac.uk
Tel 01400 275624
Fax 01400 273708

 

From REEDTB at CompuServe.COM Tue Jul 29 16:17:01 1997
From: REEDTB at CompuServe.COM (Thomas Reed)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:20 2004
Subject: GAS-L: SAWDUST GASIFICATION PLANT
Message-ID: <199707291617_MC2-1BD4-BFEB@compuserve.com>

Thomas B. Reed 303 278 0558 V Colorado School of Mines
1810 Smith Rd., 303 278 0560 FX Department Chem Eng
Golden, CO 80401 ReedTB@Compuserve.com
ALSO: The Biomass Energy (non-profit)Foundation
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gas guys:

Here's a call for help. Anyone know answers?

Tom Reed
-------------Forwarded Message-----------------

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Date: 7/28/97 5:39 AM

RE: SAWDUST GASIFICATION PLANT

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TOM REED

JUST INSTALLED AT HUGE COST A GASIFIER. WE HAVE A DEFORESTATION PROBLEM
IN KENYA AND THIS IS OUR CONTRIBUTION. WE PRODUCE 10000000 TONS OF
AGRO-WASTE EVERY YEAR.
WHICH INDUSTRIES ARE OUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS?
WHICH EXPERTS ARE CLOSE AT HAND?
WHERE ARE THERE SUCCESFUL SIMILAR PROJECTS?

REGARDS
JIM SHAMOON

 

 

From PowerSou at aol.com Tue Jul 29 21:14:36 1997
From: PowerSou at aol.com (PowerSou@aol.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:20 2004
Subject: GAS-L: Sludge Drying
Message-ID: <970729211427_325851922@emout01.mail.aol.com>

Message from:

PowerSou@aol.com
David DeHart
Power Sources, Inc.
9140 ArrowPoint Blvd., Suite 370
Charlotte, NC 28273
(704) 525 - 5819
(Fax) 527 - 1218

Power Sources, Inc. (PSI) co-fires approx. 65% moisture paper sludge with
wood at one of PSI's facilities.

PSI is seeking information on ways to remove (dry) moisture from the sludge.

Please contact me if you know a cost effective way to remove the moisture.

Thanks,

David DeHart

 

 

From DWilli7778 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 10:46:15 1997
From: DWilli7778 at aol.com (DWilli7778@aol.com)
Date: Tue Aug 31 21:07:20 2004
Subject: GAS-L: SAWDUST GASIFICATION PLANT
Message-ID: <970730104639_786116683@emout18.mail.aol.com>

Best solution is generation of electricity. I'm sure you could use more
kilowatts .

Standard technology exists to burn wood waste and generate electrictiy firms
may be interested in building owning and operating such a system if you or
the giovernment will guarantee payment